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All right, guys, exciting episode tonight.
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We are joined by Chris, as always, our podcast
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microbiologist, I'll be the middle school teacher.
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Craig is our tech expert and software engineer guy.
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Between the three of us, we can get on a ship to Erid tomorrow,
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I think. Yes, welcome, Craig.
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Thanks, happy to be here. Welcome time, fan.
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Yeah, we this is our second go around.
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We we tried to have we had on Adif to talk Mike's Co worker to
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talk the book and we definitely want to hear from him.
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But you know, these damn technical difficulties.
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We're we're still figuring it out.
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But anyways, we got Craig here tonight.
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Love for you to just start out first impressions, what you did,
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what you, what you didn't like, you know?
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No, no, we can dive deep into like some of the nitty gritty.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. So, like, I'm.
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I'm fresh off of reading the book.
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Like I finish on Sunday, saw the movie Monday.
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You know, I thought, yeah, well, I, you know, I figured.
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I did not think that Ryan Gosling, First off, was going to
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be the right actor for this role.
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Reading the book halfway through it, I was like, he's not going
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to be able to do this. That was my main concern.
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And I got into the theater and he hit a good note of, like,
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goofy scientist, but, you know, not not emotionally
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unintelligent, sensitive, but also, like, really, really
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capable. You know, he was really the kind
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of person who would talk to themselves as they're trying to
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get something done. I thought, you know, the caption
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was spot on except for the acceptance, which are kind of
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nerdy. But I thought that the story was
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well paced. I really liked the way that they
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introduced alien life. I love that they had the whole
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voice selection. I love the way that they they
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they animated. And I'd say animated in the
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sense of moving him around, move Rocky around.
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And I, you know, just really liked just the way they put
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everything together. The stakes felt real.
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And that was one of the best things or one of the most
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important things that we could have happen in the movie.
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And yeah, I definitely recommend it.
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In fact, I recommended it several times today at work.
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It's like you guys got to get out there and see the movie so I
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can talk to you about it. So yeah.
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Yeah, this this movie and book is is very interesting.
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And like my wife, she when she was at work, she mentioned, Oh,
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my, my husband's going to this movie tonight and oh, what movie
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project come here. And like, oh, how is he going to
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go see it? And I like that doesn't come out
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till Friday. And so I had to explain to my
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wife how I was able to see this. But her Co worker like who's not
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into sci-fi at all, but love this book because I read it
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twice. Can't wait for this movie.
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It was bummed she missed out on the whole like early early
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access screening. But I just feel like this book,
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while, you know, maybe it's just Andy Weir, he's good at this.
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I feel like the Martian was very much like that.
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I, I haven't read Artemis, that's going to be my next one,
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but I, I feel like he makes science pretty approachable.
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Science, physics, technology, you know, and then I, I think
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that like I would recommend this to anybody.
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I like this is, it's kid friendly.
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Like there's, there's really no like swear words.
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There's no like they they removed all the sexual elements
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that were in the book. Good point, yeah.
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So like, but this, this book is just like a, it's a, it's a
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wholesome story about friendship and about understanding who you,
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you are, like it as an individual and under like
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overcoming like barriers and, and, and like, I don't know,
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there's just so many things you can take away from this, this
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book. It's just like it's mind
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blowing. Yeah, I can't agree more.
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It is a book, like we said in our book review episode, more
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about people than it is about aliens.
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It's more about humans and relationships.
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And and I think sci-fi could be a genre that has a barrier to
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entry for a lot of folks thinking fantasy, fictional,
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made-up, fake, it doesn't have any lessons to teach us, I don't
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think. I think they they're completely
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wrong because it might use all of those elements as a medium to
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tell the story, but you're ultimately telling a story about
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the human condition. And this book does that so well
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that the movie now does it equally as good.
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And I think a big part of our conversation tonight is the book
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to movie adaptation. Clearly things had to change.
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Clearly a lot got cut. I I think they did a little bit
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of the tell don't show because if they decided to show the way
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Andy Weir showed in his writing, whether it's the science, the
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experiments, things about Zena night and and just all a whole
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host of things building the ship with the gravity and the
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centrifuge. They had to kind of tell it in a
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really pithy, concise way. And so a lot of content got cut
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that Andy Weir wrote, but I think he'd be the first to agree
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it it may not have worked in a movie.
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And if it right was in the movie, it would have been way
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over 3 hours long. So the decisions they made to
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turn this book into a movie is phenomenal as well done as let's
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say, like a Harry Potter. I, I think Hogwarts, how they
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filmed it and the characters and who they were, how they
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conducted themselves was so close to what almost every
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reader had in their mind in the, in the book.
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This one, what's fun is you might not have visualized it the
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same way. So the visuals of, for example,
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for me, Rocky ship was a little different than how I was
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picturing it. So there's some things that
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visually look different. There's a reason for that.
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But we also, I, I think, had the essence of everything, the
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essence of everything as I read the book, the motivations, the
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characters, how the plots driven, it was all there one to
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one, almost perfectly paced out as the book was.
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So, so many things were adapted for a movie, but captured the
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heart and the core of the book. And I think it's a phenomenal
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adaptation. Yeah, I know.
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Yeah, I definitely agree. I definitely think though that
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and we'll I'm sure we'll get into the minutia.
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You referenced The Martian. I think The Martian was, you
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know, Andy Weir's big move into, you know, script goes to
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Hollywood, right. And I feel like when I was
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reading Project Hail Mary, I felt like, OK, he would have the
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experience. He took what was good about the
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Martian and like the Super well to the layman, super dense
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science stuff and then translated that, had that
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translated into the film. And I think that worked really
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well in Project Hail Mary. But, and I know you, you just
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you sort of glossed over it or, or alluded to it like I think,
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you know, maybe at the expense of the the discovery of science,
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you know, like the the small problems, small problems, small
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problems, small problem, victory next level, you know, and then
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on up that would have been, you know, kind of a grinding movie.
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So yeah. But I, I think they did a really
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good job of translating and they focused on what essentially was
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like a buddy road trip movie, you know, in space.
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So. Yeah, which which foils it with
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The Martian, because that message clearly was science.
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The shit out of it like that was the main take away.
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And the movie captured, I think, a lot of the scientific
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experiment, experimentation to stay alive.
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This movie I think downplayed the science a little bit, gave
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it to you in quick little snippets just so you buy in.
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It was more about entertaining you than it was about educating
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you. And I think what that allowed is
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the Rocky Ryland friendship to have so much more screen time
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and play such more of a pivotal role, where in the book I would
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say the science might dominate more of the page time than their
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relationship. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's an
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interesting choice, right. And you know, and you have, you
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know, these two books that are very similar in this extent that
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you, they're someone lost at space trying to get somewhere,
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You know, in the Martian, obviously it's he's trying to
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get home or trying to survive until he could potentially get
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home. And this one, it's someone who's
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forced into something and, you know, trying to save the world.
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You have that like existential threat there.
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There was no existential threat in the Martian, right?
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And one thing Mike did say to me last night, he felt that the the
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existential threat like was there, but it wasn't super
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played up on it. It at times you maybe you
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couldn't feel it because of the the dynamic that the
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relationship that but that Rocky and and and Ryland are trying to
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build. So, but for me, I I think that
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the science maybe took a back seat and you know, this is just
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me trying to Monday, Tuesday morning quarterbacking, but one
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to distinguish itself between the two movies, right, right.
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You have these two books that you know, they're not the same,
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but they do have similarities and like, all right, let's let's
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distinguish our tone. And two, I, I do really think
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that the moral of this story is, you know, like you said, human
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condition, connection, sacrifice, being a hero when you
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don't think you are a hero, you know, it's not the science.
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Well, well, the science in the book is so cool.
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And like the way that I think that's one of Andy Weir's like
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best ability is just like science communication, being
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able to, even though like I appreciate even more, you know,
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having a little bit more of that background.
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I'm not like an, I'm just a microbiologist.
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I'm not like an Astro, but you know, but like the biology
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aspect of it. I thought he got great.
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And the same thing in all the microbiology and molecular
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biology that he talks about in The Martian, You know, like for
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me, that like rings out. It makes me feel good when
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people get that right. Yeah.
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But that being said, I think like here, all right, let's
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take, let's put that out of the back seat because we want to
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elevate something else. We want to distinguish this as a
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little bit something different. We do have this existential
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threat of like everyone can die that Ryland is going to die.
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You know, that he ultimately, like he got forced to put in
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this position. He has to rise to it, and I was
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OK with that. I don't know, I, you know, but
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like you said, this idea of head cannon, right?
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There's a lot of times where I've seen adaptations and, you
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know, obviously I, I would, you're right.
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Like I think like the Harry Potter series is probably the I
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think most people would agree that like the best
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representation of an adaptation from a book to to a movie.
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Like most people are OK like to to more than OK with those
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movies because how well they were executed and how close they
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got. Obviously nothing's going to be
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1 to one, but a lot of times I find myself just getting pissed
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off when people make decisions when they're different than like
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what I envisioned here. There was a lot yes, here there
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was a lot of differences than what I envisioned in my head,
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but I didn't find myself getting upset with them.
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I. Agree.
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I agree. I felt that their like their
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head cannon was just as cool to me that my head cannon was.
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I get I was willing to give them grace because they they prove
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themselves that they're doing it so well that it was OK if they
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change something like Craig, you and I talked a lot last night.
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We got out of the movie about small things that we're missing,
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like we didn't learn a lot about The Beatles and how he was going
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to send The Beatles back, but they gave the fans the little
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flash of the five the. Little the little the little
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egg, the Easter egg. Like you, you know what we're
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talking about. Exactly same thing with the bar
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scene. You, you could be upset with the
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karaoke scene, maybe have to get some reactions from that.
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But it was to show the relationships.
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We said they they got the sexual tension.
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I think that was just enough to show you if you know the book,
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you know there are deeper things going.
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In between Dubois and Shapiro. Yeah.
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And what a weird part for the book.
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I was wondering up until that moment, up until we got there, I
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was like, what are they gonna do with them?
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And then it came down to, I thought Bob wasn't weird enough.
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Yeah, I was like. This is a very they did it just
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enough. Yeah, they were like the.
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Weirdest thing in the entire book, like the fact that they
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were like so freaking horny that I mean, but it's for Comic
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Relief, right? So.
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I think it was Comic Relief and the movie was already doing
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enough humor, which one of my slight hot takes is about that.
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But I also think if you ignore any sort of sexual tension and
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you're planning a long multi year space mission, you you kind
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of missed the point. Part of human psychology is
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that's going to play a role no matter what you try to do in
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control. So there has to be like a slight
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nod to it, but but also you don't want to have to write
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erotic or anything crazy off the mark.
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So right, handling it in a humorous way via the book was
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really smart. And handling it here with a
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little let off the steam at the bar singing karaoke, everyone's
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letting their hair down. Also a good way to just have a
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nod to it and keep the thing moving.
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So it's a small change that I, I, I, I give the screenwriters,
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you know, credit for not including it, but also not
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completely ignoring it. But Craig, what pissed you off
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about the karaoke scene the most?
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OK. All right.
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All right. So we're just going to.
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Go directly to it. I've been thinking about it all
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day. I while OK, let me be diplomatic
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about it. While I appreciated the way that
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they treated the character of Ava Strat in the movie, I
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thought the actress who who played was great.
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I thought, in fact, I'll even say I really appreciated the way
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that she, that actress portrayed the emotional like precipice
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that she was on. You know, she was still in
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charge. She was still, you know, willing
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to do anything, but she was you could very much see how things
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weighed upon her, you know, and in that scene in the trailer,
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you know, when she had to like where she essentially sentences
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Island to death, you know, police in his mind.
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You know, they did a thing right in the book, you know, he walks
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into an office, like what's this big guy here for?
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And then that, you know, he holds him and then they they
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take him away, etcetera. And then she talks to him later.
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I don't even think that scene should have happened in the
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book. She tell reads him for Phil.
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She says, look, I like you. I don't respect you very much.
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You are going to do this thing. It's too bad you didn't say yes,
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but you know, whatever. But she, you know, she kind of
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tells him off. She a little bit comes back
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later, says, hey, I should explain to you why I'm doing
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this. And then he's like, go to hell.
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It's like, we're going to hell. In the movie, you can see how
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much it pains her. There is the karaoke scene
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where, as you pointed out last night when we were talking about
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this after the movie, Mike, you know, you were correct in that
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that character was affected by Ryland in a way that was sort of
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like bringing her, bring her softness and emotion out.
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You can see how much it pained her to do the thing.
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You know, she was very upset about it.
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And after everything, you know, kicked off and, you know, The
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Beatles came home, she got to learn about what happened.
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In my head. Ava Strat.
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They included the scene in the book about, you know, her going
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off against the copyright. You know, basically people who
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owned all the software copyrights are like, hey, we
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want our money. She's like, no, she fought
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everybody. Everybody was subject to her
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prerogatives because she was the one who was anointed with the
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responsibility to save the world.
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And she's willing to do whatever, work with whomever,
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get anything done. And, you know, whatever
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affection she had for Ryland was also paired with, like, you're
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useful. Yeah.
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You know, I do kind of like you. But you have the right home of
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resistance. You know how to work with this
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stuff. You're kind of expendable.
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And we needed somebody to work with it within three days before
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we got the real people in on it. You figured out how to get, you
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know, how to breed them. So you were good then you have
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to now get on this ship like you are always subject to the, the
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import of the, the, the of the mission.
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And in fact, she herself, I'm sorry, going off about this, she
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herself knows that when all this is said and done, the
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governments of the world are most likely going to turn on her
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and put her in in prison for love.
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And in my mind, that's what happened to her.
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She doesn't know what happened to Ryland.
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She doesn't, you know, get justice.
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She does what she does. And as a student of history, she
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understands that she's actually just going to, she's sacrificing
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herself in much the same way that everybody else is in the
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film. Everyone got the comfort of
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knowledge, Riley, you know, he understood that Earth was saved,
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which is what happened in the book.
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In the movie, he was able to send video of himself.
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He introduced an alien race to Earth, or at least to Ava Strat,
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which I think was a terrible idea.
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But yeah, I suffice it to say I'll stop talking.
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I'll take a sip of water after this.
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But honestly, I'm thinking about all day Strat who, you know,
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basically the, you know, was the the head of every room who
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controlled every government, at least for a limited time and who
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had no problem, you know, sending people to their deaths
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for the greater good. Not because she enjoyed it, but
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because she knew that it had to be done based on the president
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of history is right is the one I prefer.
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That being said, having said all that, before I get to the sip of
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water, I will say that I understand that it's a movie and
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it's a movie being shown. If you saw a woman doing that,
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doing what the Strat in my mind was doing, I don't think the
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test test audiences would have affected very much.
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To be honest. I don't know if I would have
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loved it very much and I don't know if I love that, but it's
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true. And I think they wanted to make
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more of an emotional connection as well between the characters.
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As you've pointed out, there is no sexual tension or not a real
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1, not real sexual tension in the movie.
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This is about relationships are not about the fact, so there had
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to be an injection of the real human feeling and connection and
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outside of the the broke man's that they were showing on the
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ship or ships. This is where it was shown.
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Also. We didn't really have any.
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He never had any connection to the crew, you know, to to
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Ilukina or to Yao. Yeah, so many way.
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That's my big thing. That's my Hilda high on bring
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back book Strat. I think that's great.
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I you know, it's a good question about like, sure, that's
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probably the biggest change between the book and the movie
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other than like cuts, you know, like ultimate decisions that you
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have to make for runtime in terms of changing fundamentally
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who Ava Strat is. And I do agree with you that I
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think it's a little bit of a decision to soften her, to make
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her a little more palatable to viewers because they, you know,
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you did a great job explaining like who who this person is
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She's. Been going over been going over
00:19:13
it my whole the whole day. She's almost like hit like you
00:19:15
were describing like Hitler, but like for, for good.
00:19:18
Like, yeah, you know, yeah, that's.
00:19:21
That's perfect. That did it.
00:19:22
She she was like, what do I got to do?
00:19:24
Dictator, let's go I. I don't know if that would have
00:19:27
gone that well, but I do think they towed a good line of
00:19:32
capturing a little bit of that in terms of her, you know, very
00:19:37
serious. You know, she only shows like 1
00:19:39
little crack during the karaoke scene of like having some
00:19:43
emotion. You know, I love the little
00:19:47
quips, you know, like the line. But I still think about it when
00:19:51
it's in the book too. It's straight from the book, but
00:19:54
you, you, when he's like, you picked me to come in here to
00:19:56
die, like would you want me to die Right.
00:19:58
And then she turns around you, you have to, you have to discuss
00:20:01
this. We'd prefer.
00:20:03
You stay alive the. Difference in the room is that
00:20:05
we would prefer you stay alive. Like, you know, like I I think
00:20:09
they did a a good job of capturing the essence of what
00:20:12
Andy Weir put into that character.
00:20:14
But I do ultimately think that that, you know, if you were to
00:20:17
take just straight that character from the page, it
00:20:19
would have been maybe a little bit of a drag.
00:20:22
Hot tape. Yeah, I'll.
00:20:24
Take it coming. Hot take yeah, I just, I just, I
00:20:27
just, I don't know, I, I, I feel like, yeah, sorry, I've said in
00:20:32
hot take. Counter pointer to your hot
00:20:33
take. Yeah, yeah.
00:20:34
Please please. I bet my tongue, as Chris can
00:20:36
tell you, I rarely do. I rarely do on this podcast.
00:20:43
No, I held my tongue, I'll put it that way.
00:20:47
Strat was the best part of this movie.
00:20:54
Strat stole the show. The decisions and the dialogue
00:20:58
and the screen writing for Strat was perhaps the single best
00:21:03
thing to me in this movie. Now, that being said, before I
00:21:08
break down, why, yes, Rocky and Ryland, they stole the show.
00:21:12
Yes, Rocky and Ryland and the way they had the puppeteers and
00:21:16
they built this bond and they brought everyone to tears and
00:21:19
you're weeping and they're. But here's the thing, I expected
00:21:23
that, right? Like if the movies even going to
00:21:25
be half good, that has to be a 10 out of 10.
00:21:27
It has to be perfect. And so they rose to that bar.
00:21:30
They met, you know, they rose to the occasion they met that bar.
00:21:33
So kudos to them. The only thing is I think I kind
00:21:35
of expected that. And in the trailers I almost was
00:21:39
like they got strapped completely wrong.
00:21:41
This woman does not have the the on screen presence.
00:21:45
She doesn't have the balls, the gravity class.
00:21:47
Oh no. I was like, Oh no.
00:21:49
So maybe it's because I went in with high expectations for
00:21:52
Ryland and Rocky. I went in with low expectations
00:21:55
for Strat that's sitting in the theater.
00:21:59
I was blown away by her, her performance of it and how they
00:22:03
crafted her to make her human. But I don't, I don't think they
00:22:06
sacrifice anything about her dedication to the mission.
00:22:10
I don't think they sacrificed anything about her willingness
00:22:13
to use authoritarian rule and be the leader the world needs.
00:22:17
Fuck all else. Like nothing else matters right
00:22:20
now. I'm in charge.
00:22:22
I thought they captured that brilliantly right off the bat.
00:22:25
When when she takes him and, and she's forcing him to do the
00:22:28
testing and he's in the lab working and she's basically, she
00:22:31
is like the conductor of an orchestra behind her of every
00:22:35
top brass in the world, every military is literally there
00:22:38
listening to her will not move a muscle, won't lift a finger if
00:22:44
she Even so much as looks at them.
00:22:45
And she is commanding presence if she's a commanding presence
00:22:48
everywhere she goes. And when I saw her in a trailer,
00:22:51
I was like, oh hell no, she's not going to be able to do that.
00:22:53
But then the first second she was on screen, just her face
00:22:56
told me, oh, she's going to do this.
00:22:58
And she did it. Sandra Miller, like casting her
00:23:01
was, was very good. I I thought that was a very good
00:23:03
cast. And then the cracks, though,
00:23:06
because you're right, I'm not going to disagree with anything
00:23:08
you said. The writing from the book was a
00:23:10
little softened. They made her a little more
00:23:12
human. And I think it's such a
00:23:13
brilliant move. And if I felt they did that and
00:23:16
sacrificed the mission before self mission above, above all
00:23:20
else, if I thought they sacrificed that in any way, I
00:23:22
would have had a problem. I don't think they did.
00:23:24
I think they did both. And it was captured when she was
00:23:28
basically forcing him onto the ship in her office.
00:23:30
And they had that conversation. Her face played it perfectly.
00:23:34
And then a line like one day you will see I'm doing this because
00:23:37
I care about you. And to me that decoded the whole
00:23:41
thing. The whole thing was she's going
00:23:43
to be this hard ass because she cares so deeply about people.
00:23:47
She might be one of the highest EQ in emotionally intelligent
00:23:50
people in the film. And she has to be somebody who
00:23:54
has zero EQ in the moment. And, and the lessons of
00:23:57
leadership from that I think are really, really deep.
00:24:00
It's that's the kind of person you know, you'll go to war for.
00:24:02
You will follow into battle because as hard as they are on
00:24:05
you, how they come off like a complete asshole, you know, 1
00:24:10
They're so invested in the mission and they're so invested
00:24:12
in you personally. And there's so much belief and
00:24:15
there's so much care behind it that I think they capture that
00:24:19
so well. And then to give her the little
00:24:21
crack of singing the song but then turning it off.
00:24:24
No, for the movie, that was fine.
00:24:25
For the movie, that was fine. I'm.
00:24:27
Going to push back. I don't think that we got a lot
00:24:30
of that in the book. I think that was all added.
00:24:33
No, no, I'm thinking we're that OK with that?
00:24:35
Yeah, you're. Saying you're you're OK with
00:24:36
that. OK, I, I think there were little
00:24:39
glimpses of it in the book that you had to really look for.
00:24:43
I think she cared desperately about the people that she was
00:24:46
sending. I don't think she sends people
00:24:48
to their death the world flippantly.
00:24:50
She didn't send people to the she cares about the world, yes,
00:24:52
but she didn't send people to their death flippantly.
00:24:54
She was in a situation forced to say you have to die, I'm sorry
00:24:59
you have to die. But deep down behind that is not
00:25:02
just an asshole who doesn't care about your life.
00:25:04
She cares deeply about your life.
00:25:05
And she's just putting it in perspective.
00:25:07
And and I thought they handled it.
00:25:08
I think I think Andy Weir very much would approve of what they
00:25:11
did with her. And that's that's.
00:25:12
No, no, no, I think, I think he would have, but I think he would
00:25:15
have because he understands Movies Now.
00:25:17
I think Strat understood and cared about life and human life
00:25:23
in particular. I don't think she cared so much
00:25:26
about individual people, which is you've also worked for that
00:25:29
guy or woman, right? And that's also fine, depending
00:25:33
on how the you know what the job is.
00:25:35
In this case, the job was and you guys talked a little bit
00:25:38
about this in your in your podcast about the book.
00:25:40
You know, the stakes are so high, right?
00:25:43
She knew from her knowledge of history with the big reveal for
00:25:48
me at the end of the book, is it like she's actually a student of
00:25:51
history and she knows what has to happen?
00:25:54
She knows that there will be purges and famine at that.
00:25:57
Countries will just not be able to hold it together.
00:25:59
It's a miracle that they were even doing this right.
00:26:04
What was missing? And I don't think, I think it
00:26:06
was not necessary in the movie, but I liked it.
00:26:09
And I don't know what to say about me, but I think that there
00:26:12
was a level of contempt that Strat had for Ryland's situation
00:26:20
and this that that wasn't necessary in the movie.
00:26:23
Part of the reason is that what she did to him in the book was
00:26:27
to purposely to give him selective memory recovery.
00:26:31
And this is maybe leading into maybe one of the big differences
00:26:34
between the the book and the movie.
00:26:36
In the movie, you know, there isn't you know, he's he's gone
00:26:40
through the Koma, but he doesn't have a specific French
00:26:44
government derived drug that you know, it's giving him like, you
00:26:47
know, reveals of memory. So he's understanding himself
00:26:50
through recollection. In the movie, he knows himself.
00:26:54
He understands that he sees himself as a coward.
00:26:57
He talks about that repeatedly in the movie.
00:27:00
And when it comes down to the time he's like, no, I'm not
00:27:02
qualified. I'm not an astronaut.
00:27:04
You know much the same thing. But he understands that it's
00:27:07
it's us who are are being you know, we're getting the
00:27:10
revelation of like this is what the preceded that.
00:27:13
So when he wakes up on the ship, he knows everything.
00:27:18
The reason he doesn't know the crew that well is because he
00:27:22
never got to know the crew that well.
00:27:24
You know, he didn't, they weren't his friends.
00:27:25
He didn't know Yao very well. He didn't know enough very well.
00:27:30
In the book, he just, you know, he has feelings for them, but he
00:27:33
can't remember why. So one thing, yeah, sorry,
00:27:38
leading away from Strat, but kind of going into a a sort of a
00:27:41
narrative. Difference here.
00:27:42
I think that's a good, good point because it's it's
00:27:45
obviously a big shift and I think that it's hard, you know,
00:27:51
kind of like the Martian. These books are both very, they
00:27:56
live inside the main character's head for a, a large portion of
00:28:00
it. And it's like, how do you, how
00:28:02
do you capture that on screen? You know, and I, I felt that
00:28:06
obviously I knew they were going to have to make some changes.
00:28:09
They made it like some subtle nods to it.
00:28:11
Like when he first wakes up, he's like, why do I know that's
00:28:15
a scanning electron microscope, you know, like, so I wouldn't
00:28:18
even tell that he is not. But yeah, no, I, I, I got the
00:28:22
sense right away that he and they purposely cut out like the,
00:28:29
the tight relationship that he develops with the entire crew.
00:28:35
No, Dimitri. Yeah, because they had to, you
00:28:39
know, they had to cut some time. And that was a decision.
00:28:42
And I think that for me, like as a, as a book reader, like that
00:28:46
is probably my biggest not not Ding, but just the, the biggest
00:28:50
thing I was upset about because I like that dynamic.
00:28:53
I thought that, you know, once he remembers everything about
00:28:58
Yao and then everything about Ilukina, like that's a big
00:29:02
reveal for us as a reader and it it brings like some emotional
00:29:07
clarity. You know, that because the him
00:29:11
putting them out to, you know, giving them a a funeral is is
00:29:16
not and not as quickly in the book as it is in the movie,
00:29:19
right, right. So.
00:29:21
There's a few positives to this choice, though, because yeah,
00:29:23
you can be disappointed. You know, we can say the
00:29:26
age-old, oh, they didn't include everything from the book.
00:29:28
So yeah, I know. I know you can't.
00:29:31
So you can you can do that, but I think that that's the wrong
00:29:34
way to look at it because if they tried to do this as some
00:29:37
psychodrama, it was the memory loss.
00:29:41
And then the memories come back to you slowly.
00:29:43
And like that's just I think them imposing a story on you as
00:29:48
the audience and on the plot. Instead, they let their pacing
00:29:51
walk the walk and they said, we're going to cut back and
00:29:54
forth between scenes and just let that speak for itself.
00:29:57
We don't need to didactically instruct you.
00:29:59
He has this memory loss Strat programmed it that way.
00:30:02
She knew coming out of the coma, if he remembered everything
00:30:04
right away, he might go crazy and cancel the mission.
00:30:07
If he remembered he was a coward.
00:30:08
If he remembers his relationship with the crew who died because
00:30:11
some of you were going to die waking up from this coma, most
00:30:13
likely statistically. So I think if you try to explain
00:30:16
away all the psycho drama of what memories he had, it also I
00:30:21
think it wouldn't work and it makes me think of another
00:30:23
series. We did another book to TV show
00:30:26
adaptation. The book did not have much of
00:30:29
this fuzzy memory loss thing as much, but the TV show laid into
00:30:33
it so heavy. Everything in the movie was a
00:30:36
fuzzy flashback. Is it a false memory?
00:30:38
Can you trust the narrator? And it really didn't land
00:30:42
because it, it almost made everything too murky and you
00:30:45
didn't know who was real, who was what was going on.
00:30:48
It's like we didn't need it to be that kind of Shutter island
00:30:53
or something, you know, like we're not playing this whole
00:30:55
memory schizo game. So I was glad.
00:30:57
It was just like he slowly came back to the memories.
00:30:59
He slowly became more confident. And like 20-30 minutes in, we're
00:31:02
caught up to speed. He's at his best, he's a
00:31:04
scientist, he knows what he needs to do, and he's got to
00:31:07
figure out how to live on the ship like.
00:31:09
Because if that doesn't happen, probably not at all like 2, like
00:31:12
2/3. Like he doesn't become fully who
00:31:15
he is until like, well, after he meets, yeah, Rocky.
00:31:19
Like, well after he meets Rocky. Well, I was going to say at
00:31:21
least they captured that because if you move away from that and
00:31:24
then you neglect the exact timing where Andy Weir timed it
00:31:29
perfectly, so did the screenwriters.
00:31:31
When you learn that he said no to the mission, it's like 3
00:31:33
quarters, 80% through. You learn he backed out, he
00:31:36
weaseled out. He literally ran for his life as
00:31:39
I think that was a cheap gag. But anyway.
00:31:42
The fact that he was really ran out of there and he.
00:31:44
Really ran out of the office. Yeah.
00:31:46
Which again, which is funny. It was funny.
00:31:50
Was it the time to be funny? The the increase of of of.
00:31:53
Humor. Yeah, but just to to put a bow
00:31:55
on it, you had to capture the fact that Rocky was just calling
00:32:00
him brave like he was like Ryland Grace, the bravest person
00:32:04
I know, like the greatest humor, which was another funny joke.
00:32:07
You're the I'm the only human you know.
00:32:08
Great. That humor landed for me.
00:32:12
But you had to capture the fact that right when Ryland was
00:32:14
grappling with am IA coward, a loser, a failure at the same
00:32:19
time as Rocky, putting all of his trust in him and saying
00:32:22
you're I'm inspired by you, like Rocky had to be inspired by him,
00:32:26
or else maybe they wouldn't have come as far as they did.
00:32:29
And Ryland's like, is that fake? Is that the real me?
00:32:32
Or was the real me when I what? What did you guys think about
00:32:36
the fact that they did hold true to the fact that Rocky saved
00:32:42
Ryland, but in the book he turned right around and saved
00:32:45
well and then nearly killed Rocky.
00:32:48
And there's that whole incubation period where he's
00:32:50
working on stuff. All Rocky's out.
00:32:52
But you know, Ryland sustained injuries.
00:32:55
He, you know, constantly did really brave things in on the
00:33:00
the ship. You know, when he was with Rocky
00:33:02
or without, he got hurt. He put himself in dangerous
00:33:06
situations. And they showed a little bit of
00:33:07
that in the movie, but it felt like it was such a big reveal in
00:33:12
the book that he like, you knew that he didn't want to die.
00:33:16
But the fact that he had he basically had to be hot,
00:33:19
essentially hog tied and, you know, throw it into the ship.
00:33:22
And like she planned it all out that he was going to, you know,
00:33:25
he'd wake up. They'd be like, oh, you know,
00:33:27
we'll help you do this mission and blah, blah, blah.
00:33:30
What did you think about the fact that, like, Rylan didn't
00:33:32
end up saving Rocky, like Rocky did the the saving?
00:33:36
And that was sort of that. That might be my biggest
00:33:39
disappointment of the film. It was a.
00:33:42
Little Murky. It was a little murky, like it
00:33:45
didn't quite, you know, obviously it's a it's a huge
00:33:49
moment when Ryland passes out and then Rocky decides to like
00:33:53
essentially sacrifice and he's willing to sacrifice himself to
00:33:57
save Ryland. And I don't know if it's just
00:34:02
the fact that, like, you know, we couldn't get into too much of
00:34:05
the details of, you know, Rocky's biology or, you know,
00:34:10
that kind of stuff. Mike, last night, you kind of
00:34:13
mentioned to me that you thought it was kind of weird how Ryland
00:34:16
just kind of moved on and, and felt that like, does he think
00:34:21
Rocky's dead? Does he think Rocky's gonna come
00:34:23
back? Is he just in a coma?
00:34:25
Like, I think if you know, in the book that Rocky undergoes
00:34:29
these long and very precisely exact periods of resting time,
00:34:34
you can kind of like, oh, all right, he just needs like an
00:34:38
extra long rest. And that's going to be like, you
00:34:41
know, we don't know when it's going to happen because, you
00:34:43
know, who knows already in like resting time.
00:34:48
I I don't know if they were trying to play it up.
00:34:49
That did make you think that Rocky died and that, you know,
00:34:54
Ryland needs to continue on no matter what.
00:34:57
Does, you know, make the sacrifice, not be in vain, that
00:35:01
kind of thing. That I don't know.
00:35:02
There's a. Little murky there.
00:35:04
Yeah, I. Think so.
00:35:04
I think I yeah, no good. I was just going to say you hit
00:35:09
the nail on the head there, Chris, because I honestly was in
00:35:12
that chair thinking, holy shit. I think they might have just
00:35:17
killed Rocky. I really thought I for a flash
00:35:21
across my mind, I thought that might be the change is like I
00:35:24
know they're going to need some sort of dramatic change from the
00:35:26
story just to keep even book readers interested.
00:35:29
I was like, did they go that old?
00:35:32
So at first I'm like, let me see how this plays out.
00:35:34
I might actually like this if there's some heavy stakes
00:35:37
consequences. If they're like going whole hog
00:35:38
into the stakes of Rocky sacrificing himself to savor
00:35:42
Island, ergo save both their species, right?
00:35:45
I'm like, whoa, I don't know if this is going to work, but let's
00:35:48
see what happens. And no, they just decided it's a
00:35:50
long rest and a nap and he'll just wake up with no, he was
00:35:53
moving. He got rid of the constant.
00:35:54
He was moving a little bit. He was moving a little bit
00:35:57
after, you know, after he, you know, right after Ryland got up,
00:36:00
Rocky was still moving like a little bit and then he
00:36:02
collapsed. So it's kind of so did Riley, I
00:36:03
don't think. Just need to I don't believe
00:36:05
that he's one pane of glass and then all of a sudden he made a
00:36:08
xenonite bubble and everything's fine.
00:36:09
So that was an OK. All right.
00:36:11
So now you're entering into the the we're entering now fully
00:36:14
into how does science work in movie?
00:36:17
Because yeah, it was hand WAVY. OK, it was very yes, it was
00:36:23
which which I yeah, it was positive, yes.
00:36:26
So I OK, so several things, right.
00:36:30
How did, and you you sort of explained it last night, Mike,
00:36:34
but how did Rocky kick out of the his little ball, right.
00:36:39
If that's Zena night and then ostensibly the connections are
00:36:43
very strong as well, can you just Kick It Out?
00:36:45
I know he's very strong and I know the pressure is big in
00:36:47
there, but when that had been a bigger deal when they were
00:36:51
collecting samples near Adrian, like, it took me a little bit
00:36:57
out of it in the movie that it felt like stunt stick that you
00:37:01
can do on the top. Of the Burj.
00:37:03
Khalifa right in Earth gravity because if it would have taken
00:37:08
us out of the movie if the suspense was, you know, 2001
00:37:12
space Odyssey action where you're floating around, you
00:37:15
know, science accurate. They had to have him falling.
00:37:18
You know, the collection bit flew over here and he had to
00:37:21
like fly down. And yes, there was gravity on
00:37:24
Adrian. Yes, it should have been pulling
00:37:25
them in that direction, but all of the action was him falling.
00:37:28
Similarly when he got into the airlock several times, they did
00:37:31
do it properly a few times, but in constant of action he just
00:37:35
like jumped in things like like there was gravity when at those
00:37:38
points there was not. These are.
00:37:40
At one point he like throws the ball in.
00:37:42
And I was like, yeah, I was like, wait, that, that that was
00:37:46
the moment. I was like, wait a minute.
00:37:47
This is There's that much gravity there, like there's that
00:37:50
much gravity, no. No, no, the book made a huge and
00:37:53
again, I know it's a movie, but the book made a huge deal about
00:37:55
like these are the different gravity.
00:37:58
Look, I'm chilling at 1.5 and that's fine.
00:38:02
Or, you know, in yeah, it it. So they didn't make it.
00:38:05
They made not as big a deal about the pressure.
00:38:07
And then because ravity, because like the rocky's gravity is so
00:38:10
different like that, that was the other like big thing.
00:38:12
It's not just like the air and the ammonia.
00:38:14
It's like the gravity was. It was like a huge difference.
00:38:17
And the and just general pressure, the the pressure, the
00:38:20
pressurized air of the atmosphere that you have, which
00:38:23
was the reason that Ryland should not have been able to go
00:38:26
to the ship. Although I do appreciate what
00:38:30
they did in the movie, just show how Ryland could have.
00:38:32
Gone on the ship so I and this is so you just read it in my
00:38:38
mind. Did he, did he go to the ship?
00:38:40
Because I thought he did. It didn't happen on the book.
00:38:43
No, in the book. This is why I was a little bit
00:38:45
hazy that I was checking my memory in the in the seat while
00:38:48
I was watching the movie last night.
00:38:53
So at the end of the movie, near, well, not the end, but
00:38:56
near the climax of the movie where it goes to save Rocky,
00:38:59
does he doesn't enter, does he? He goes off to the outside.
00:39:04
I think he attaches to the ship after his float, right?
00:39:07
Enter his lay a moment. Yeah, exactly.
00:39:09
But he never enters his. Lay.
00:39:11
You yeah, yeah, right. And so Mike, you mentioned, you
00:39:15
mentioned you mentioned before how you liked the design of the
00:39:19
of rocket ship and I did too. It was very reminiscent of the
00:39:24
the little bobbles that he created, right.
00:39:27
I don't know if that's what I saw in my head when I thought of
00:39:31
his ship, but it kind of doesn't matter because we never got to
00:39:34
see the inside of the ship because there's no way, as far
00:39:37
as we knew, food that Ryland could actually get in there, you
00:39:40
know? And that was part of the
00:39:41
problem. So he didn't go in in the book,
00:39:44
but he was a he did jump to it and was attached to the outside
00:39:47
of it to signal to Rocky. Yep, yeah.
00:39:49
I thought it was cool though, to go inside and it also one it was
00:39:54
just an adventure. It was.
00:39:56
It was so cool to go inside another species ship.
00:39:59
And then I thought it actually helped me buy into the ship
00:40:02
because I had the same thing. I was like, I don't recall rocky
00:40:05
ship being described with particularly these long like
00:40:08
Spires and like so many of these pointy things just sticking out
00:40:11
and I'm like, what the heck is the purpose of these?
00:40:14
So I was like, I'm just going to believe this is the ship because
00:40:17
they must have some idea. But then when Rocky was on the
00:40:20
ship and it was almost like playing chords with those long
00:40:22
strings and because it's a sound based species, the Iridians, all
00:40:26
of those long narrow structures are about frequency, amplitude
00:40:30
and and sound waves. And maybe the ship like
00:40:33
insulates sound waves or does something.
00:40:35
Once we were in Rocky ship and saw that the way they decided to
00:40:38
build it was directly related to their language of sound.
00:40:41
I was like, boom, that ship's stellar.
00:40:44
Am I wrong? Rocky was like playing chords on
00:40:46
on his ship, kind of. Yeah.
00:40:47
That was suitable. As soon as they go in, every
00:40:50
single thing to me had a distinction of sound and music.
00:40:55
And cuz the species, the language is very tonal, right?
00:41:00
It's all tonal. But to me, the thing that they
00:41:03
got the most correct and the thing I think they had to get
00:41:06
correct was the arm on the on the outside.
00:41:10
And like the, you know, especially when they first meet
00:41:12
and like the fact that this thing is able to grab anything
00:41:15
because we knew it had that like, and that that was like the
00:41:18
big thing. And then that he could precisely
00:41:20
then throw with the stuff back and forth.
00:41:22
Yep. You know, it's, it's interesting
00:41:24
you brought up something about how Ryland is a coward, yet he
00:41:28
does crazy things. And the crazy sacrificial
00:41:32
things, yeah. You know, yeah, yeah.
00:41:34
Just just the fact of like while being not fully there, right,
00:41:39
not having these memory losses and deciding to go on a on a
00:41:43
space walk for for the first time, yeah, you know, is insane.
00:41:47
And to do it multiple times. Yeah, well, that's not.
00:41:51
Brilliant. You're crazy.
00:41:53
That's the brilliance on the line though.
00:41:55
You you don't need just something to fight for or
00:41:57
believe in. You need someone.
00:42:00
Oh, right. What is on what Yao said.
00:42:02
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That that like he came full
00:42:05
circle with his arc. So not to cut you off Chris, but
00:42:07
that line just hit. When I realized it it it made
00:42:13
perfect sense for where Ryland went from where he was when he
00:42:16
backed out with Strat. If you think like time wise,
00:42:18
when he said no to Strat to where he comes at the end, it
00:42:21
was all because of his friendship with Rocky that
00:42:23
forced him to grow that way. Yeah.
00:42:26
Ultimately, you know, the decision for him to he can go
00:42:29
home like he he could have just he could have just sacrificed
00:42:33
all of essentially the entire species of Iridians and gone
00:42:39
home, saved himself potentially, you know, doesn't know what
00:42:42
could happen. But I think, you know, that's
00:42:45
the beauty of the book is him making that conscious decision
00:42:49
to all right, I can do both. I can't save myself, you know,
00:42:54
because in that moment he has no idea that he's going to survive.
00:42:57
He fully well expects that if I go back to save Rocky.
00:43:01
Yeah, maybe. Maybe I maybe I'm dead and maybe
00:43:04
I've doomed all of Earth. That was the other thing
00:43:07
exactly. I would say that, OK, in the
00:43:10
book and in the movie, there is a case, more so in the book, I
00:43:15
would say there's a case for Ryland being a more exemplary
00:43:20
human that he understands. In fact, you, you mentioned
00:43:23
something not just about his cowardice, but also, you know
00:43:28
who he is. Well, like, actually, Carl said
00:43:30
this to him as they were to tie him up.
00:43:31
He was like, you know who you are, you're gonna be fine.
00:43:34
And again, First off, before I say what I'm going to say, they
00:43:38
got to Carl. I, you know, a character we
00:43:41
weren't asking for, but you know, we, we couldn't live
00:43:43
without. Carl was the man.
00:43:45
Really like Carl in the movie. Loved.
00:43:47
I love that actor from the from the bear.
00:43:49
Oh yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
00:43:50
So when I call him up, I was like, oh, OK, yeah, it's Marcus.
00:43:54
That that that line was true. We did he in the book and well,
00:43:59
let's accept that in the movie. He did things.
00:44:03
He was he never gave up, you know, and that was one of his
00:44:07
defining characteristics. He couldn't leave stuff alone.
00:44:10
He had to do the calculations. He had to do the spacewalk.
00:44:14
He really wanted to get on the ship.
00:44:16
And that's how dangerous it was on the alien ship.
00:44:18
If he could have found a way, he would have done it, But he he
00:44:21
could. He went back.
00:44:24
He saved Rocky after Rocky saved him, even when, you know, it was
00:44:29
he was fully damaged and it took the welfare to heal before he
00:44:32
could get back to work. And he thought Rocky might have
00:44:34
been dead. He tried to save Rocky even
00:44:36
though he tried, you know, he's been doing so was never killing
00:44:38
him. He multiple, you know, he
00:44:41
multiple times after, you know, flew into the face of danger.
00:44:45
He, as you said, you know, nearly sacrificed himself.
00:44:48
Or was it in danger of doing so just to save Rocky when he had
00:44:53
the chance of going home and saving Earth, which is all
00:44:56
anybody to ask him to do? He was possibly the best
00:44:59
representative that humanity could have sent in a lot of
00:45:02
ways. And I don't.
00:45:03
I think it's up to us to accept that it wasn't supposed to be
00:45:06
said in the book or in the movie.
00:45:10
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:11
I think that's why I wouldn't have been that guy.
00:45:13
That's all I'm saying. Don't.
00:45:15
Say Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, completely.
00:45:17
That's why. But he also.
00:45:19
Wasn't that guy? He wasn't that guy.
00:45:20
When he got on the ship, he wasn't that guy.
00:45:22
I don't. I don't know if he wasn't that
00:45:25
guy, but I think the important thing was he didn't believe he
00:45:27
was that guy. Yes, that's it.
00:45:29
He was that. He always had it.
00:45:30
Inside of him. But he did, Carl.
00:45:32
Believed it. Yeah, Strat believed it.
00:45:34
Carl believed it. Rocky believed it.
00:45:36
The thing is, Rylan Grace didn't believe it.
00:45:38
And I don't want to go on a soapbox about this, but I think
00:45:41
the teacher part of it makes so much sense to me to bookend it
00:45:45
with that because the ending. First off, when I read the book,
00:45:49
I was tearing up in the theater when I saw that was the cut to
00:45:53
black. I was like, thank goodness they
00:45:55
did that. The baby Iridians.
00:45:57
It was. It was so perfect.
00:45:58
But I think the teacher thing adds something else of you could
00:46:02
be the whole book is about science, technical expertise.
00:46:05
So you could play up this idea. He's the best scientist you can
00:46:07
have Strat going. He's the best scientist for
00:46:09
this. You can have Carl going.
00:46:11
Come on, man, do the experiments.
00:46:12
You're so good at the science of it all.
00:46:14
You could have Rocky saying, wow, humans, great scientists,
00:46:17
we good engineers, but you good scientists.
00:46:19
But it wasn't about that. It was about being the right
00:46:22
person, having the mindset, overcoming the challenges,
00:46:27
having the resiliency. You had to have all those
00:46:31
qualities to save earth and any one of those qualities was
00:46:33
lacking or there was too much self doubt and we would have
00:46:36
lost. And I think Strat knew the the
00:46:38
only way we lose is if Ryland doesn't realize who he is.
00:46:42
And Carl said Carl saying that at the last minute was an
00:46:45
incredible piece of dialogue to write because that just shows me
00:46:49
the Screenwriters Room knew the story, even the things in the
00:46:52
story that were subtext, the things in the story that were
00:46:55
not direct lines, because it's easy to adapt a book and just
00:46:59
borrow a few lines here and there, fill in the rest, have
00:47:02
ChatGPT write it, You're good to go.
00:47:04
A line like that shows me there's so much more work being
00:47:07
done because you're you're getting the subtext right.
00:47:10
What Andy Weir's subtext was that was never explicitly said.
00:47:13
Strat's like you're the most brave, courageous person who's
00:47:15
going to make a good friend and want to sacrifice yourself for
00:47:17
them. That didn't need to be said.
00:47:19
That needed to be showed. And it was shown for two hours,
00:47:23
and it ended in this beautiful scene.
00:47:26
And so I just have to say the teacher part of it all shows
00:47:28
that to me. Because let's say on paper, you
00:47:32
get the best reviews, you write the best lesson plans, you come
00:47:34
up with the best slideshows that don't mean squat if you walk
00:47:38
into the room. And you can't build
00:47:40
relationships. You can't be a good listener,
00:47:42
right? It's not a sage on the stage.
00:47:44
It's a guide on the side. That's an old teacher.
00:47:46
Side I haven't heard that in a. While, and I think that's an old
00:47:49
teacher line, I think Ryland Grace was so good at being the
00:47:53
sage on the stage and did not believe that he was the, the
00:47:57
wisdom bearer for these children and how much they looked up to
00:48:00
him. They they captured with the
00:48:02
cameras how much these children are hanging on every word.
00:48:05
But to him, he's like, I'm not good enough.
00:48:07
I'm a washed up doctoral candidate.
00:48:09
Scientists hate me. So it's like it doesn't matter
00:48:12
how good you're doing the things, the technical aspects,
00:48:15
if you're not having that reciprocal relationship,
00:48:19
learning from each other and growing to believe in yourself
00:48:22
and others as a team, you're going to fail the mission every
00:48:24
time. And I think putting that in as a
00:48:26
teacher and ultimately, why save the Iridians?
00:48:30
So the baby Iridians have a future, you know, go back to
00:48:33
Earth and save Earth, save the humans.
00:48:35
But there's so much more to it than that.
00:48:36
And I think if you didn't have a teacher in that, maybe you
00:48:39
wouldn't have cared that much about that other species.
00:48:40
Which is, honestly, I didn't think Ryan Gobson was going to
00:48:43
be able to pull that off, but he did.
00:48:45
He did. You know what's interesting, I
00:48:48
just listened to this podcast. Highly recommend listening to
00:48:52
Derek Thompson. He does the plain English
00:48:55
podcast on the Ringer. So he had this one about
00:48:59
placebos and this idea of, you know, how do placebos work and
00:49:05
then that kind of stuff. And he referenced this one study
00:49:08
about that was done back when you could do any study you want.
00:49:11
Now, you couldn't, you could not repeat this study.
00:49:14
Now, in short, it was his Doctor Who took rats and put them into
00:49:21
water and then timed how long it took them to die.
00:49:27
And in the beginning, the rats would swim for about 15 minutes.
00:49:34
And then he wanted to see if he could adapt the rats to see if
00:49:37
they could go longer. And he what he would do is he
00:49:41
would he would take the rat right when it was about like you
00:49:43
would time it to like 1514 minutes, 30 seconds.
00:49:46
He would take it out, give it a little bit of a breather, put it
00:49:49
back in. And he would do that a couple of
00:49:50
times. OK.
00:49:52
And initial like hypothesis is like, oh, if we could just
00:49:57
double the amount of time, we could triple the amount of time
00:50:01
that, you know, go from 15 minutes to an hour like that
00:50:04
would be amazing. Because then if we, if we could
00:50:07
then translate into, you know, turning a human into, all right,
00:50:10
you have this within you, you could, you could double your
00:50:13
productivity. That's great.
00:50:15
Guess how long the rats actually were able to do?
00:50:18
I bet they went forever. 60 hours.
00:50:21
Oh my God, I was going to say days.
00:50:24
Wow. They all in the the the moral of
00:50:26
the study is that the rats always had it in them to survive
00:50:30
for 60 hours. They just gave up.
00:50:34
OK, This is why our. Brains are wired to self
00:50:39
preserve and to not like our default is I can't do it.
00:50:45
I can't do it. I, we, we can't sustain.
00:50:49
And I think that this this movie does a great job of showing that
00:50:52
like you can, everyone has it in them if you're put in the right
00:50:57
situation and you are are forced to use those things and rise to
00:51:03
the occasion. And like, I don't know, I I
00:51:06
just, I thought. It was interesting, like like,
00:51:07
like, no, I like that take. I like that take.
00:51:09
That's a really good, that's a really good message out of the
00:51:12
story. It's funny though.
00:51:15
I think it's also a very appreciably human thing that
00:51:20
when intellectually presented with, look, you're going to save
00:51:23
the world potentially, that's what we're sending you to do,
00:51:26
but you're going to die earlier than everybody else.
00:51:29
Pretty much everybody on the planet was like, not me.
00:51:32
And and even they got my best, best qualified after some people
00:51:36
move up to do it. You know, he was like, I don't,
00:51:40
I don't want to, I want to teach the children.
00:51:42
And I love that. She was like, it's not about the
00:51:44
children. You just, it's not.
00:51:46
You don't have any. It's not because it was truly
00:51:48
about the children, like she said.
00:51:49
It was about the children you would get on right now.
00:51:51
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you saved them.
00:51:54
And The thing is, he did. We know he thought that, right?
00:51:56
We know he thought these children are going to be, you
00:52:01
know, they're going to go through some of them go through
00:52:02
the worst in it, right? At least in the supposed to do
00:52:04
that. Question, do you think Ryland
00:52:08
went home? So I was is that's also a change
00:52:12
from the book, right? They don't mentioned, they don't
00:52:15
mention at the very end that oh, the Hail Mary is ready to go
00:52:18
home. No, that's a very big change and
00:52:22
and I had 1/2 spoiled something for Craig in that I said to him
00:52:26
on the car ride to the movie. I was like, I saw some rumblings
00:52:29
that they made a major change about the ending.
00:52:33
And so my mind was going a million places of like, do they
00:52:36
return to Arid? Do they even have the
00:52:38
schoolchildren? Does he get to teach them?
00:52:39
I was like, are they going to cut that?
00:52:41
But I think what the person meant about the major change was
00:52:44
that line that the Aridians are trying to get Rocky ship back up
00:52:48
and running to go back to Earth. So that was such a brilliant
00:52:52
line to drop because a lot of conclusions are drawn when we
00:52:56
learn that The Beatles made it to earth in the book.
00:52:59
I almost like that reveal more. We talked about that Craig of I
00:53:03
like the book. We don't see Strat.
00:53:06
All we learn is that the sun is no longer dimming.
00:53:09
So it kind of leaves the open-ended question of why is it
00:53:12
natural? Did The Beatles get through?
00:53:14
Did Strat get the information? And actually act on it.
00:53:18
Here we get to see Strat on the icebreaker and they're ready to
00:53:21
experiment. So it's like that was another
00:53:23
way of showing us The Beatles made it home.
00:53:26
And I think because they lean so heavy into Strat in the first
00:53:29
act of this movie, you kind of don't see her for a while except
00:53:33
for the flashbacks. I thought to get to modern day
00:53:36
older Strat was a really smart decision visually to actually
00:53:40
bring her back in, to establish that continuity.
00:53:42
But the one thing that missed in the book was that Rocky got to
00:53:46
tell. Yeah.
00:53:48
The sun is alive and I thought that was so important to Rocky
00:53:51
to be the one to bring the be the bearer of good news that it
00:53:55
was replaced now with his ship is almost ready.
00:53:57
I thought Rocky still got to play that role of going into
00:54:00
Ryland's bubble and telling. I do think they they did a
00:54:04
little bit switch it up on us though in the end of the movie,
00:54:08
because I think by the beach. I think you and I felt the same
00:54:11
way. We were like, oh, he's, he's
00:54:14
Rocky on Earth. Because Rocky was in a suit.
00:54:17
He was in the Yeah. He was in the suit, other minor
00:54:20
beef on the ship when they had the little not holiday effect of
00:54:24
the little screens that showed, you know, the environments on
00:54:26
Earth. Rocky couldn't see that.
00:54:29
You can't see that they. He wouldn't need, he wouldn't
00:54:32
need, he wouldn't need the camera.
00:54:34
With the device, the pointer device, the camera.
00:54:36
I don't know. I don't know it.
00:54:38
Translated he they at least OK, here's another here's a positive
00:54:42
spin on that. I could see why that didn't work
00:54:44
for you and it was gimmicky and hand WAVY to say, oh, he just
00:54:47
carries this little device that translates visuals on a screen
00:54:49
into a sound board, if you will sure it was a little hand WAVY,
00:54:54
but at the same time we got rocky vision.
00:54:57
Rocky vision when? I love that.
00:54:59
I did love that That worked. That actually looked better in
00:55:02
the movie theater than it did in my head.
00:55:04
I actually completely appreciate that a lot.
00:55:05
I was like, oh, yeah, that works.
00:55:07
Yeah. Rocky Vision, when we saw it, I
00:55:09
was like, it's reminding me of those needle boards as a kid
00:55:12
where like you put it on your face, you push up the needles
00:55:15
and it makes this and it perfectly almost had sound to it
00:55:18
when we were in Rocky Vision. It was like I'm seeing some
00:55:20
sonar sound, visual echolocation video.
00:55:24
Yeah, well done. Yeah.
00:55:25
Yeah, hats off. Yeah, and it and it was a call
00:55:26
back to the beginning of the movie when he's doing the what
00:55:30
was the No, he had the mic and he used the sound waves to
00:55:35
agitate the sand, sand on the. Exactly.
00:55:38
Yeah, there's a science. There's a science of that.
00:55:41
It's the stupid Lord of the Rings Amazon remake that they're
00:55:45
doing. The opening sequence is
00:55:46
Cymatics. That's it.
00:55:48
CYMATICM. OK, A Cymatics, the science of
00:55:51
the sound waves basically affecting natural phenomena.
00:55:55
So yeah, the fact that they opened.
00:55:56
With that is cool. I can't do it.
00:55:58
Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it.
00:56:00
It's a disaster. Yeah, this is this is what I
00:56:02
heard. It's a disaster.
00:56:04
Look, this movie, I, I recommended it several times
00:56:07
today. It, you know, what you guys said
00:56:12
about the book holds true in the movie.
00:56:15
It is about hope. It is about like, you know,
00:56:17
dedicate it. It's not as like sweeping as it
00:56:20
maybe could have been. I think people were comparing it
00:56:23
to Interstellar. I don't know about that.
00:56:26
I think the directors did a marvelous job.
00:56:29
I felt like in Interstellar they did a, a bigger job of putting
00:56:34
the, the stakes for Matthew Mcconaughey's, I guess, because
00:56:39
you got to see more of the corn light, the corn fields like the,
00:56:43
the sickness they purposely chose not because in the book we
00:56:47
don't see any of that because we're in, we're in space when
00:56:50
all that is potentially going on, right?
00:56:52
The, the only glimpse we got of it was the icebreaker.
00:56:55
So we're assuming that, you know, the Earth is like, kind of
00:56:58
icing over, Yeah. Wars they.
00:57:01
We have the solar panel guy. The company wants to, you know,
00:57:04
solar. Panel aside, the Arab South
00:57:05
African. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:57:06
He's not. He's not that out.
00:57:08
If there's something you're gonna cut, that's fine.
00:57:10
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Solar panel guy.
00:57:14
Dimitri. I don't know.
00:57:17
In place of Dimitri. We got there It is, I think.
00:57:22
Dimitri. Was he supposed to be replaced
00:57:24
by that the Indian guy essentially like in?
00:57:28
An opening meeting. In the meeting and he he was
00:57:31
kind of like there throughout like a little bit, yeah.
00:57:33
Yeah, I I thought they at least captured that there's some
00:57:37
humanity on this global council that's about saving the world.
00:57:41
And it's like they're going to embrace a quirky, outside the
00:57:43
box Ryland kind of dirty looking, you know, dishevelled
00:57:48
guy instead of they're just going to be all buttoned up
00:57:50
around this table. I thought the fact that that guy
00:57:52
played the role of a Dmitri who kind of on the same page as him,
00:57:56
I thought at least it was like I said before, they did just
00:57:58
enough fan service that even the things they cut, they had a
00:58:01
proper nod to, right? They're like that.
00:58:03
We. Understand you want to
00:58:04
understand that the thing by the.
00:58:06
Way. We were in the theater last
00:58:09
night. We were sitting next to a couple
00:58:12
or a couple two months left and Oh yeah, the the woman of the
00:58:15
couple, you could tell she had read the book, like she was
00:58:18
reacting to all the stuff and she'd be like, oh, you know,
00:58:21
when something was different. And I was like, OK.
00:58:22
And when we got up, she you mentioned something about the
00:58:26
voice actor for, for the audiobook version, Ray Porter
00:58:31
and and and, you know, true to porn.
00:58:33
Like that's what she did. She had done the audio, the
00:58:36
audiobook version. You had a theory about the
00:58:39
voices of bike. Yeah, at least in a cameo.
00:58:43
I'm really curious if they did it, if they did not do it, why
00:58:46
they did not do it. I thought a Ray Porter cameo
00:58:49
would have made a lot of sense somewhere.
00:58:51
I don't know contractually this and that.
00:58:53
I was trying to look in the credits because they did credit
00:58:56
the failed Rocky voices. Each of the failed Rocky voices
00:58:59
that they did, I couldn't, I think.
00:59:02
I don't know. I was trying to look, I missed
00:59:05
it, but I was wondering if Ray Porter was somewhere on that
00:59:07
list because I didn't hear it when they were doing the failed
00:59:10
Rocky voices. I wonder if they got him
00:59:12
anywhere else because he's deserving of all the reward, all
00:59:16
the awards for that audiobook. It it should be award-winning.
00:59:19
It's the textbook example of how to do an audiobook.
00:59:21
They even, I think got an award for sound engineering the way
00:59:25
they did Rocky's voice in the book 'cause they did a digital
00:59:28
voice for him. Everything about the audiobook
00:59:30
is top and best in class. I thought some nod to that would
00:59:35
have been nice. So maybe it's in there.
00:59:36
It's an Easter egg I haven't seen, but if not, I'm really
00:59:39
hoping Ray Porter somehow is getting credit.
00:59:41
I do believe he's been on the media tours.
00:59:44
Ray Porter definitely did some interviews with people who have
00:59:48
been touring for the movie. So at conferences and things and
00:59:52
they give out press interviews and short snippets to all these
00:59:55
different outlets. I know he was involved in some
00:59:57
of that. So thankfully they're they're
01:00:00
including him on this masterpiece of a story because
01:00:04
the audio book can't be diminished.
01:00:05
And the the people next to us, clearly when I mentioned Ray
01:00:08
Porter's name, we're all excited to jump in and say, Oh my God,
01:00:11
he's so good. And the other woman was like, I
01:00:13
hope he was in the movie somewhere.
01:00:14
I didn't hear him, but I hope they put his voice in.
01:00:16
If you go to the IMDb in the Wikipedia it says that Ray
01:00:19
Porter is one of the other voices of Rocky.
01:00:22
He. Was.
01:00:23
There we go. There we go.
01:00:25
I was trying in the moment to listen.
01:00:26
I didn't quite, I, I, it kind of slipped my mind, but I'm so
01:00:30
happy about that. Well, I cannot wait to watch
01:00:33
this movie again. Yeah, no, that's the thing.
01:00:35
I, I, I, I'm looking forward to. I'm looking forward to seeing it
01:00:40
with people and then what they think.
01:00:42
I do want to, I do want to see it with people who haven't read
01:00:45
the book, though. Just, you know, going in French,
01:00:48
you know. I was going to say, Craig, I
01:00:49
think it was one of the first things.
01:00:51
Once we got to the car coming home from the movie, I said to
01:00:53
you, I'm really sorry, sorry, not sorry that I recommended the
01:00:57
book so hard because I pushed the book so hard on Craig.
01:01:00
I said, Craig, we're going to go see this movie.
01:01:03
You must read it. And you only had like 2 weeks.
01:01:05
I was like, dude, read it and then I you had a lot going on.
01:01:08
Then I reminded you again, I was like dude, read it, whatever.
01:01:11
You're doing you're right next story I'm watching it avoid you,
01:01:14
but. I feel bad about that now
01:01:16
because I loved the book so much that I wanted my recommendation
01:01:20
to you and others was read it first only so that you can have
01:01:25
the moments. No, but that's the way to do it.
01:01:27
That's the way to learn. About Astrophage, all of these
01:01:30
moments I enjoyed so much as a reader.
01:01:32
I wanted people to have that. But here's the crazy thing,
01:01:34
after seeing the movie, I might change my tune on that because
01:01:40
the reviews that I've seen online who are saying better
01:01:43
than Interstellar, because people are saying that best
01:01:45
science fiction maybe of all time, definitely the last 50
01:01:49
years. All the people who are saying
01:01:51
that I think are non book readers.
01:01:53
So I think this movie probably, if you don't know anything about
01:01:57
the story, hits so much harder that that I kind of feel bad
01:02:01
about pushing the book. I'm glad you had the experience
01:02:03
of reading it like I did and enjoying it so much.
01:02:05
No, I really like the. I think the people.
01:02:07
I think the people who didn't know the book and saw this movie
01:02:10
are having almost a mystical experience, an orgasmic
01:02:13
experience in the theater. Well, I I yeah, I I.
01:02:16
Think that's why I want to see it with just some people who
01:02:19
haven't read the book because I want to see how they take it.
01:02:21
I will say trying to divorce myself from the book.
01:02:25
The portrayal of not just the interaction between the two, but
01:02:30
literally Rocky himself, like how they they handled the voice,
01:02:34
how they handled his human voice, how we got around how we
01:02:38
use stuff, how we fix things, how we handled that just.
01:02:42
But also that he was kind of an asshole, you know, you know, in
01:02:46
an equal parts of, you know, to be a foil to to Ryan Grace's
01:02:51
asshole. I I thought that was great.
01:02:54
Yeah. You don't.
01:02:54
You don't need to read the book for that.
01:02:55
That's. Yeah, I think that's totally
01:02:58
enjoyable. So true to thriller pod form, we
01:03:02
often have a scorecard where we rate and rank the books we read.
01:03:07
Let's try to do some version of that.
01:03:08
So usually we call it best action sequence because the the
01:03:11
spy thrillers we read always have a bunch of action
01:03:14
sequences. I don't want to say that here, I
01:03:15
just think best sequence period overall.
01:03:18
What was your favorite thing that they put on screen to enjoy
01:03:21
as a visual feast? So best scene overall.
01:03:26
OK, I'll say, and this is probably not a popular one, when
01:03:33
Strat and Ryland are talking and then the shockwave comes behind
01:03:40
her shoulder and he doesn't have a chance to say anything before,
01:03:45
you know, they hit because we know that moment is coming.
01:03:49
We the book readers know it's coming.
01:03:51
But I really do feel that if you like we were just talking about
01:03:54
if you're not and you have being cold that the whole tender of
01:03:58
that that scene was kind of tender and kind of, you know,
01:04:02
like they were sort of connecting.
01:04:04
And then she's looking at him still sort of smiling, not
01:04:07
knowing that destruction is coming in that like two of her
01:04:10
crew people three days before launch had just blown out.
01:04:13
So that was my favorite scene. That's one of those scenes where
01:04:16
I feel bad if you know the book, because I think moviegoers for
01:04:18
that when it explodes, for when Rocky taps the glass, is this
01:04:22
going to be like Alien VS Predators?
01:04:24
Is the, you know, is this the worst thing that ever happened?
01:04:27
Are are, is all this going to go South?
01:04:28
Is this going to become a horror movie?
01:04:30
You just don't know. And then the canister, right?
01:04:33
Like was that canister a bomb? Was it going to blow up the
01:04:35
ship? Like being on the edge of your
01:04:37
seat in the theater is to me, as good as I was on the edge of my
01:04:41
seat with the book. So I think either book or movie,
01:04:43
you're going to have that same feeling.
01:04:45
It's just your preference of which one you want to get it for
01:04:47
and enjoy it I think. I think if you read the book,
01:04:50
you you knew that moment was coming.
01:04:51
You didn't know it was coming right then.
01:04:53
So there was a moment like, oh, it's happening in the if you
01:04:57
didn't read the book, you were like, what's happening?
01:04:59
This is, you know, like watching a.
01:05:01
Soap opera. When they were getting all soft,
01:05:03
I knew it was coming. When they were getting all soft,
01:05:05
I was like, OK, boom, yeah, yeah.
01:05:10
After I stopped seeing. Yeah, that's tough.
01:05:18
You know, I, I feel like I thought that the scene on
01:05:23
Tauseti, you know, capped, like, you know, the, the big climactic
01:05:28
scene was done very well, minus the little, the little bits of
01:05:35
which I think they're they played a little fast and loose
01:05:38
with, you know, space walking and and gravity.
01:05:41
UN unlike some other, you know, good science fiction movies that
01:05:46
I've seen, like, you know, space Odyssey or interstellar or even
01:05:51
the expansy, you know, expans. So that that was good.
01:05:59
I don't know. Ultimately, I I think the my
01:06:04
favorite scene of the book was or the the book, my favorite
01:06:07
scene of the movie was the first contact.
01:06:10
You know it's. Yeah.
01:06:12
That seeing like what in my mind that, you know, conical bridge
01:06:18
come down and you know, he creates that wall with different
01:06:24
panels. Just try to see like which area
01:06:26
he could see through, tells him to go back, comes back.
01:06:28
And then, you know, I and I felt like Phil and Chris Lord or Lord
01:06:35
and Miller are like did a good job of interjecting their
01:06:38
comedic background and, you know, having a, a slight nod to
01:06:42
like you said, that thriller, you know, horror S thing.
01:06:46
Like, you know, with, you know, is this guy going to come at me?
01:06:50
But then quickly like turning it on its side and and realizing
01:06:53
that, no, that's not what this is.
01:06:54
So to me like, and and that in the book was also like one of
01:06:59
the most special moments, like the first contact of Ryland with
01:07:02
Rocky is just this, this huge. Yeah.
01:07:06
Yeah, and it really disappointed me that they spoiled that in the
01:07:10
freaking trailer. See, OK, so I so I want to I
01:07:13
want to tell you what I told Mike.
01:07:15
I went to blurred Con a few weeks prior and there was a huge
01:07:22
panel, you know, downstairs advertising this movie.
01:07:25
In fact, I realized belatedly they had pre screened it there
01:07:29
for VIP ticket holders. So I mean, I guess I could have
01:07:33
seen it that, but but, you know, somebody there said, oh, don't
01:07:40
watch the trailers. They're giving away too much.
01:07:44
And I didn't realize at the time the reason they were telling me
01:07:46
that is if they saw the movie after having seen the trailers
01:07:49
and they were like, oh, yeah, that was too much.
01:07:51
I didn't want to say they didn't say all that.
01:07:53
I just took them at their word. And as a result, like last night
01:07:57
when we went, I was like, oh, I haven't actually seen any
01:08:00
trailers because I've been avoiding them.
01:08:02
And as you're walking there, Mike was like, oh, you know,
01:08:05
hopefully, you know, you won't you, you your first head on
01:08:08
Rocky will be good or what you thought or whatever.
01:08:10
And it was, I have to say, I don't know what I was expecting.
01:08:13
I mean, I do know what I was expecting.
01:08:15
And that was pretty much it. I think I had a different take
01:08:18
on the legs for some reason in my head.
01:08:20
Yeah, a little bit, yeah. Yeah, but it all fit together
01:08:23
like and like, you know, it all worked.
01:08:26
Like I, in fact, I know Oscar season is, you know, happening.
01:08:30
So we have to wait another whole year.
01:08:32
It'll be interesting to see this move be gets anything for for
01:08:37
that in particular the fact that they wouldn't with what was
01:08:40
largely looked like puppetry. You know, old school old Jim
01:08:44
Henson as opposed to it didn't. Look CGI.
01:08:47
It didn't look CGI. Probably was.
01:08:48
No, it wasn't there. Probably it wasn't.
01:08:50
It largely wasn't. Yeah, they did add CGI on a on a
01:08:53
few. It was almost like a CGI overlay
01:08:55
on what was actually puppet based, and everything that was a
01:08:59
reaction between Ryland and Rocky was the puppet.
01:09:02
So even if they would put a CGI overlay or touch up on it, they
01:09:05
acted it and they got Ryland, they got Ryan Gosling to act,
01:09:08
talking to a puppet and interacting with a puppet.
01:09:11
There was no green screen, no green screen done at any point
01:09:15
in this film. They had a full on ship.
01:09:17
There was not a single green screen moment.
01:09:19
And very sparingly did they do full rocky CGI.
01:09:22
Like I think when he's rolling around or jumping around all
01:09:25
excited, probably. They cleverly in most scenes cut
01:09:28
pieces of his body for mostly the bottom.
01:09:31
Of his body doing that for. The puppetry and I think they
01:09:34
had three people. I think Rocky was animated by a
01:09:36
minimum of three people and the main puppeteer was also his
01:09:40
voice. So his voice was also the main,
01:09:43
the main creator behind the public so.
01:09:46
I liked his voice that. Makes it even more impressive
01:09:48
and the voice was great. It does.
01:09:50
That one other thing I wanted to mention, soundtrack unexpectedly
01:09:54
good. I don't know, like I'm not a guy
01:09:57
who goes to get the OSD or whatever afterwards, but like,
01:10:01
there was some good music, you know, it fits the the scenes.
01:10:05
I thought. Yeah, I, I didn't really think
01:10:08
about that going to the theater, but I liked it, yeah.
01:10:12
I saw this I the only options were all like premium screens at
01:10:17
the Regal. So it was either IMAX 4DX which
01:10:23
I I hear is like crazy. Mike said he saw 4DX.
01:10:26
No thank you. I I've heard it's just described
01:10:29
as like the doing this, you know the spider man ride at at
01:10:33
Universal like just for 2 1/2 hours.
01:10:35
And then they spray water at you for no reason.
01:10:37
It's stupid. And then it was there was
01:10:40
another one where like the screen actually goes onto the
01:10:42
sides. It's not IMAX, but it's a it
01:10:46
like a traditional wall. Like where it's wall but then
01:10:48
it. Also gets the curve, but it's
01:10:50
curved like you're getting. Like a fully not not curved.
01:10:52
It's like it's like straight and then you get you actually get
01:10:54
scenes on the side. And then finally, it's this
01:10:58
other one, which is our RPE Regal premier experience.
01:11:02
And it's just supposed to be a better quality camera, the
01:11:07
screen and then also the sound. And like the sound in this movie
01:11:14
was so intense. And in the theater I'm in, like
01:11:16
it's literally shaking my chair. And like, I'm, you know, to me,
01:11:20
this reminds me a lot of Oppenheimer.
01:11:24
Like the sound in that movie, The sound in in the sounds in
01:11:27
their cellar, the sounds in a lot of different Christopher
01:11:31
Nolan movies, even F1. I don't know if I I saw F1 of
01:11:35
the theaters and then like that, that just won best.
01:11:37
Oscars sound. Yeah, yeah.
01:11:38
I think I, I really hope you know, and I, I guess it doesn't
01:11:43
matter because I know sinners came out like in February last
01:11:47
year and obviously they, they were in obviously.
01:11:50
They did Well, yeah. Big intention.
01:11:52
So it doesn't really matter when when movies come out, but I I
01:11:55
truly hope that this movie is at least makes a lot of nominations
01:12:00
for a lot of the below the line, like the craftsmanship, the the
01:12:03
sound, the engineering, that kind of stuff.
01:12:06
If not, I can know. I think I can tell you.
01:12:09
Best supporting Actor. Many awards.
01:12:12
This one's going to be up for. Yeah, he should be the best
01:12:13
importing actor. Rocky is the you know, I can
01:12:17
tell you that the one of the trailers, the the sound in one
01:12:21
of the trailers won an award for the awards that are given out
01:12:25
for trailers. So it's already won an award.
01:12:27
Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, already.
01:12:29
I haven't seen that trailer, but it doesn't matter that but yeah.
01:12:32
So yeah, I hope the same really quality stuff.
01:12:36
I mean, I can think about the last The Martian was nominated
01:12:39
for Best Picture. Yeah, right.
01:12:41
And this one better. And this one I.
01:12:43
Think just as good as The Martian, if not a little bit
01:12:46
better. And most of the buzz I'm seeing
01:12:48
on socials and reviews. In particular, high tomatoes.
01:12:51
Tomatoes. Almost everybody's universally
01:12:54
saying better than the Martian. Some people are claiming better
01:12:57
than Interstellar and others are claiming best sci-fi story ever,
01:13:01
ever put on screen. So I'm just like, there are some
01:13:03
hyperbolic things being said and I think you can make arguments
01:13:06
for each of those. I don't think I'd land there
01:13:09
except for it's better than The Martian.
01:13:11
But I do have to say, if I didn't know the book and if
01:13:15
people didn't read the book, I think that's an even more valid
01:13:18
viewpoint because one thing in the book that made me realize,
01:13:22
oh, this is different is that the shoe never dropped.
01:13:24
Chris, do you remember when we were reading it?
01:13:26
I would text you manically because you finished it first,
01:13:30
and I would text you every chapter I read and I'd go, OK,
01:13:33
it didn't happen yet. It didn't happen yet.
01:13:35
I was waiting for the turn. I was waiting for the villain.
01:13:38
I was waiting for the darkness. I was waiting for the world
01:13:41
ending. Somebody, somebody rigged the
01:13:43
ship or the Iridians had a some, some bad guy had a trump card
01:13:47
programmed into the ship, right? There's a hiding Iridian who's
01:13:49
going to kill everybody and humanity's dead.
01:13:51
I was waiting for the dark forest moment and the fact.
01:13:55
That it really worked. Paranoia.
01:13:57
No, I was I Chris, if you find those texts.
01:14:00
I should I should share those? Things, those texts were
01:14:02
absolutely wild. And then when it doesn't come,
01:14:05
and this is just a heartfelt good-natured story, the best of
01:14:10
our species meets the best of their species and solves a
01:14:13
problem and creates these bonds. That was so refreshing And so a
01:14:17
movie your typical movie theater goer who's already caught up
01:14:21
with Armageddon science fiction world's ending probably already
01:14:26
has personally in their life whatever traumas going on as we
01:14:30
all do or to go into the theater, start to finish and
01:14:34
walk away without having a villain, without having a
01:14:37
through and through villain is so incredible to tell a story
01:14:41
like this without a bad guy. I love it the.
01:14:44
Word bad guy is is masterphage. Afterphage.
01:14:48
No, right. And actually.
01:14:49
And actually, they're not. No, it is.
01:14:51
They're not the Nope, they're not the bad.
01:14:52
Guys, not at all. Masterphage is just trying to
01:14:54
just trying to live. They're trying.
01:14:56
To live, They're trying to survive.
01:14:57
They're hurting us. They're not villains.
01:14:59
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:15:01
In fact, they're out as we learn.
01:15:04
They're out of their environment, right?
01:15:06
Life eats life, right? If you tell the story from the
01:15:10
perspective of grass and plants and trees, I could tell you a
01:15:13
little something about villains. So it's just like the
01:15:16
astrophages that. We are the villains to like most
01:15:20
of the environment, right? So.
01:15:21
Although, although I thought it was funny, they didn't.
01:15:23
You know what? Now you're making me think about
01:15:25
the environmentalist, the climate scientist in the book
01:15:28
who, like, you know, was like, his biggest contribution in the
01:15:32
end to saving the world was to cause more of what he was trying
01:15:35
to prevent. Yeah.
01:15:39
You know the South African guy, like right?
01:15:41
Like he. Who wants to tile?
01:15:43
The Sahara, I think it was French.
01:15:44
Yeah, Yeah. Or the South African guy who's
01:15:47
in prison, they have to break him out of prison because he, he
01:15:49
like, rode in with an idea and then he was like, we'll just
01:15:52
tile over the Sahara. Which like, OK, yeah, yeah.
01:15:56
That has. Huge ramifications in.
01:15:59
Terms of there's a book coming out by Michael Pollan, who is so
01:16:03
great talking about plants and whatnot.
01:16:05
And this one's about consciousness.
01:16:07
And a big part of why he decided to write a book on
01:16:09
consciousness, as Chris can tell you, I've been obsessed with for
01:16:12
the last number of months is because he had an experience on
01:16:16
psychedelics and he, he witnessed, he witnessed plant
01:16:21
emotion and feeling and he, he, he was communicating with
01:16:24
plants. And what if their consciousness
01:16:28
is just on another realm with a different sense of time?
01:16:31
So what looks like completely non animated low level of life
01:16:36
to us is actually part of another world whereby they're
01:16:39
just on another time space-time spectrum that we can't
01:16:42
understand. And so one of a very established
01:16:45
authors of biology, plant science, dietary, you know,
01:16:49
recommendations of the history of food basically is now writing
01:16:52
a book on implant consciousness. And I'm just like.
01:16:55
OK. All right.
01:16:56
So set that aside for me because I'm actually interested in in
01:16:59
getting into that. Not that I'm recommending him,
01:17:01
but listen to the Rogan episode. So he was just on Rogan and you
01:17:05
you get to hear from Pollen for a couple hours talk about all
01:17:08
this. So it's really good all.
01:17:09
Right. You're making me remember the
01:17:13
discussion that Rocky and Ryland had about, hey, why do we have
01:17:18
the same level of intelligence? Why do we hear at the same
01:17:22
frequency? You know why?
01:17:25
You know, and then rock is kind of like, well, we're here to
01:17:27
meet each other because we have we're at the same level of
01:17:30
whatever. If we were more advanced, we had
01:17:32
a fixed OPS or phage. If you were less advanced, we
01:17:35
couldn't be here. And actually even that Rocky's
01:17:38
people like barely got into space.
01:17:40
They didn't know about radiation.
01:17:41
They didn't know about time dilation.
01:17:43
You know, they didn't, they couldn't see the stars or the
01:17:45
planets until see them. They couldn't, you know,
01:17:48
perceive them that way until they got into space.
01:17:50
They were just in a big hurry, which is why the ship maybe, you
01:17:54
know, some things didn't work. That discussion about like the,
01:17:59
I guess I don't know, the optimal zone for, you know,
01:18:02
communication with an alien life form that is sentient.
01:18:06
You know, that was an interesting exchange that didn't
01:18:08
happen in the movie because there wasn't time.
01:18:11
You know, they really, it was interesting, but there just
01:18:13
wasn't time. That that's similarly, and I
01:18:15
think again, there might have been a nod to it, but the
01:18:18
panspermia of it all, I remember hitting a point in the book
01:18:21
where I go, holy crap, are we related to Iridians?
01:18:24
Was was life basically populated from a panspermia event of we're
01:18:29
related to astrophage like on some molecular biological
01:18:32
evolutionary reason? Like could that be an
01:18:35
explanatory reason for evolution and then ultimately why we are
01:18:38
similar to other planets in other galaxies?
01:18:42
So you know, is it? Possible.
01:18:44
So I'm going to so I'm going to tell you if they I don't know
01:18:46
how much time we have going through this, but Mike, you
01:18:49
know, I am using, I'm using AI to create terrariums.
01:18:55
And Chris, what I mean by that is I have set a set of rules
01:19:01
along with the AI that I'm working with to govern a set of
01:19:06
planets, a set of different worlds and kind of like work
01:19:09
from geologic time through up through like, I don't know, the
01:19:14
industrial age of 1 of the species on the planet.
01:19:16
And then they're in the same system.
01:19:18
They don't know about each other yet.
01:19:20
They're evolving separately. But, you know, one of the things
01:19:24
I was actually thought about a lot is or and I was reminded of
01:19:27
Ball being in the book and then watching a movie was the idea of
01:19:30
like, well, if these systems are connected, they're in different
01:19:34
times. Like one died out before the
01:19:36
other came. But there is sort of a
01:19:38
connection between them. You know, I had to make a
01:19:41
decision. Is there going to be a common
01:19:43
source of life? How did it happen?
01:19:45
You know, how did you know this kind of thing?
01:19:47
And yeah, there's a lot of not that they're going to do this
01:19:50
and I don't know, fanfic or whatever, it's going to happen
01:19:53
involving this movie or this book.
01:19:56
But if it did, there's a lot of space to fill.
01:19:58
You know, you can actually talk about what happens on Earth or
01:20:02
what happens when reality of the humans meet.
01:20:05
Yeah, What happens when the Iranians get up, you know,
01:20:07
really look at the thinking machine and figure it out, Like
01:20:10
what? What's going to, you know,
01:20:11
they've left forward in technology?
01:20:13
Yeah, One other part of that that Chris, I think was you and
01:20:16
I talking about last night. And no way you could put this in
01:20:19
the movie. It would have been a mistake.
01:20:21
But the thrum at the end of the book, I love that.
01:20:26
I love the idea in the book, but it only works in a book.
01:20:28
It really only works in a book. It does it it does.
01:20:31
I wish. I don't know.
01:20:32
They could have shown something. To see it happen would have been
01:20:36
cool. To see there was a.
01:20:37
Couple things in the book that I think did just are a little bit
01:20:41
weird that, you know, for us nerds, like we loved it.
01:20:47
Yeah, at least I did, you know, speaking as a nerd.
01:20:50
But, you know, there's just some things that you just, you gotta,
01:20:53
you know, we'll got mix. It works in the head but.
01:20:57
That's a fanfic. That's a fanfic opportunity
01:21:00
because now that we know what Iridians look like, take the
01:21:03
description Andy Weir wrote the thrum and now have AI basically
01:21:08
create what Iridians look like and then put it with the thrum
01:21:10
description. Because I'm just envisioning
01:21:12
this almost like Congress, almost looking like Star Wars in
01:21:15
the in the Senate. Palpatine these.
01:21:17
Different pods all there and they're all moving and they're
01:21:20
all gesticulating. Like imagine a flock of.
01:21:22
Birds, right? Or like.
01:21:25
When birds all have that beehive movement together and now all
01:21:28
these Iridians are doing it and it's creating a mind meld that
01:21:32
is consciously actually problem solving, right?
01:21:35
Because they're not scientists. They don't understand science.
01:21:38
They require a mind meld kind of otherworldly mystical
01:21:43
experience. I just see them all vibrating
01:21:45
and gesticulating like, and that's how they not necessarily
01:21:49
critically think, but that's how they absorb, you know, knowledge
01:21:53
or they absorb reasoning and, and are able to draw conclusions
01:21:57
to ultimately be scientific. Like that whole thing blew my
01:22:01
mind when I probably described it completely wrong, but that's
01:22:04
what I took away from you, no? No, no, that's a good way to
01:22:06
that's a good way. That's a good way to look at it.
01:22:08
I. What a cool concept.
01:22:10
It is. It is.
01:22:11
So there's two, there's a lot of avenues, yeah. 2 trippy for the
01:22:15
movie, 2 probably. And they're probably not going
01:22:17
to expand this. I mean, it's a movie that like,
01:22:20
you watch it, you feel good, you can take your grandma to see it
01:22:23
because nothing untoward happens, which is another
01:22:26
reason, by the way, the movie's going to probably continue to do
01:22:28
well. Everybody can go.
01:22:31
I think, you know, even people that aren't in science can go.
01:22:35
With the money they're making and the way this industry works,
01:22:38
I'd give it another two months before you hear about Project
01:22:41
Hail Mary too, before the sequel, before they, which would
01:22:43
be a terrible decision, but but the terminalized producers, you
01:22:47
know, they're so damn on the. Order of you know.
01:22:50
You just see it as a cash cow if if it's going to have that big a
01:22:52
success. You know, interstellar violent
01:22:56
too. Electric boogaloo.
01:22:58
Yeah, electric. Boogaloo.
01:23:02
No, man, I like this. I like this movie.
01:23:05
I think I'm going to give it a Oh yeah, I'm going to give it an
01:23:08
A solid a all. Right, all right, I'll give it.
01:23:12
I'll, I'm going to give it an A minus.
01:23:15
I want it, I want it because there are things that I want
01:23:19
even outside of knowing the book.
01:23:21
But I, I think everything was well organized and, and more and
01:23:26
more importantly, and I think we, you know, we did this talk
01:23:28
about it. It's extremely accessible and
01:23:31
enjoyable. It's just a very enjoyable film.
01:23:34
And God knows we could use more of those right now.
01:23:37
So yeah. Yeah, I can't agree more with
01:23:40
with those takes. I think I do settle with an A
01:23:44
minus and I do have to say, if I didn't read the book, I think it
01:23:48
would be an A+. I'm really glad.
01:23:51
I'm glad for people who haven't seen the book are going to go in
01:23:54
with everything I love the most about the book and why the
01:23:57
book's an A+ and I'm going to and people are going to be
01:23:59
allowed to have that experience in a theater and get that A+
01:24:02
level experience. The only a minus for me is that
01:24:05
I'm going into it with a critical lens and I had hoped it
01:24:08
has me drop all that at the door, just leave my baggage
01:24:11
behind. And unfortunately, there was
01:24:13
just just enough wiggle room for me to come in and say, oh, this,
01:24:19
oh that. And and that was a little
01:24:21
disappointing. The one other area I'll say is
01:24:24
Chris, you picked your favorite scene was the the action
01:24:27
sequence because there really only was one.
01:24:29
That was the number one time I was taken out of the film only
01:24:33
because I'm thinking of science gravity, where they are.
01:24:36
How's. This planet.
01:24:37
And then also again, it was the book thing of the book had the
01:24:42
time to explore this. And what Andy Weir did so well
01:24:45
was that anything he was writing, he was making the
01:24:48
audience feel I, I feel physically.
01:24:51
So the the tediousness of making the chain to go down and harvest
01:24:55
the Tamiba. That chain was just like, holy
01:24:58
shit, I feel for these dudes like 10 kilometers, months of
01:25:00
their life, hours and hours. And instead you just go, I
01:25:04
rocky, I make chain, chain done 5 kilometers long.
01:25:06
Let's go harvest Tamiba. I'm like, I see why you have to
01:25:09
do that, but it was it took me out of the movie to be like, oh,
01:25:11
damn, that's weak. And then similarly when Rocky
01:25:15
just fell asleep and all of a sudden it's like, oh, he'll
01:25:17
regenerate. So let me do things around the
01:25:18
ship, let me play housemaid and clean up.
01:25:21
And I'm just like, no, like Rocky's fucking dying.
01:25:23
Like possibly dead or just going to.
01:25:25
Magically, I mean, he thought, he thought he thought he might
01:25:27
die, but he was also like, I got to get to work.
01:25:29
So, and the one thing Craig, you and I talked about was that
01:25:32
possibly could have been Ryan Gosling in denial, right?
01:25:37
Rocky might die. He's in a heap over here.
01:25:38
I'm just going to let that be because I can't handle it right
01:25:40
now. Like emotional?
01:25:42
I can do about it right now. I think that would have been a
01:25:44
proper read on the scene too, but still just disappointing
01:25:47
that Rocky sacrificed to break out of the Zena night on page
01:25:52
cut. Cut me to my core.
01:25:53
It it cut me down. Yeah, it it it hurt me.
01:25:56
It pained me. And instead the movie just goes
01:25:58
give him a few minutes. He'll wake up.
01:26:00
It's give him a smile salt. I was just like, oh, come on.
01:26:05
So I would have gone straight AA plus if there weren't a few of
01:26:09
these tiny little things which allowed me to criticize.
01:26:11
But if you say that is that is movie baggage, right?
01:26:14
Or sorry if we didn't know. If we didn't know, we'd be like,
01:26:18
OK, you know, he's he's got to, he's got to save their
01:26:22
civilizations together. He's got to get to work.
01:26:24
So for my favorite scene, though, which potentially could
01:26:28
push it up to an A so I'm going to stick with the A minus.
01:26:29
But what's flirting with me going to an A is the first third
01:26:33
of the film after he wakes up from the coma because I was only
01:26:35
I was only so So on that. After that, though, the sequence
01:26:38
of Strat getting him at school and then him and Carl and their
01:26:42
adventures, There's my winner, my favorite sequence.
01:26:45
Yeah, testing the astrophage, the adventures of Carl and
01:26:48
Ryland bowling in the Home Depot, making light of this
01:26:52
whole world ending astrophage thing of we only have three
01:26:55
dots. Oh my God.
01:26:56
And then they move off Petri dish and he finds them on the
01:26:58
light. Put a box in a box.
01:27:00
Carl put a box in a box. In a box.
01:27:02
The Carl Ryland sequence to me was the best.
01:27:05
That was inspired to inspired edition.
01:27:07
I agree exactly. That's and what's great is
01:27:10
people who don't know the book also now have like an
01:27:12
encyclopedia to go back to because all these things we
01:27:15
talked about being cut, you go back to the book.
01:27:17
It's almost like the expanded universe of Project Elm Berry.
01:27:21
The book was the original source material, but now it looks like
01:27:24
expanded universe to the movies can Yeah.
01:27:27
I. I hope people do that.
01:27:29
I. Really hope people watch this
01:27:30
movie and then they're like, I want to read the book.
01:27:32
And listen to the audio book. And look.
01:27:34
Oh yeah, and the feed the audio book.
01:27:37
Ray Porter, such a good job. Yeah.
01:27:41
Anything else we. I think we went almost as long
01:27:43
as the movie guys. Yeah, sorry, I, I, I, I in
01:27:46
particular had opinions, but. I I was like you guys did.
01:27:50
We were like rats in a bucket. Every time we ran out of steam,
01:27:52
something else just gave us reason to keep going.
01:27:55
Six of these goods. You give those rats some
01:27:57
cocaine, they would have went for years.
01:28:03
Wow, this movie wasn't 36 minutes.
01:28:06
Yeah, did not, did not feel like 2 hours and 36 minutes.
01:28:09
Was it, was it 2 1/2 hours? Really.
01:28:11
Yeah. Oh, so so you're right.
01:28:13
It didn't, it did not. It did not feel it.
01:28:16
You think there'll be an extended edition?
01:28:20
You know, it's like they don't make DVDs anymore.
01:28:22
You know how you. Would be able to buy.
01:28:23
DVDs and like had so many. Guilty scenes.
01:28:27
Yeah, interviews with authors and shit or not authors, Yeah,
01:28:30
but with actors and stuff like that.
01:28:32
Now what you can do is tease that to a streaming service or
01:28:35
something, right? To like give them a Lego.
01:28:37
They do that, though, do they? Do they?
01:28:39
They don't do that. What?
01:28:40
Well. No.
01:28:41
Maybe that's another podcast, but I have questions like why
01:28:44
don't they do that? I would buy that, although it
01:28:46
seems like physical media. Is paying for it.
01:28:48
DVS are making a comeback. They're collectors.
01:28:51
Yeah, they're people. So now, like, and they're way
01:28:54
more expensive than what I, yeah, than what I, I used to
01:28:58
buy, go to Walmart. Like on that was my favorite
01:29:01
thing to do on on Black Friday was to go to Walmart and pick
01:29:05
up, you know, they had three dollar deep Blu rays, $5 Blu
01:29:09
rays, $10 Blu rays and like, you know.
01:29:11
The margins on them have to be incredible.
01:29:15
But now like. 60 bucks. People are searching for the
01:29:19
best pressings, like the quality of like, cuz you know, I'm sure
01:29:23
all those ones that I bought at Walmart were like, they're not
01:29:26
the best, you know, quality. In terms of, that wasn't the,
01:29:30
that wasn't the. It wasn't the point, but now
01:29:32
it's like, all right, how good someone can like, you know, RIP
01:29:36
or I don't know how they do it, but like, you know, like back in
01:29:39
the day making a vinyl, right, How good the quality is of of
01:29:42
that transfer. But you have to have the player
01:29:45
too. And I feel like with streaming,
01:29:47
so many, so many fewer people are having the actual hardware
01:29:50
to play it, that that's going to be a niche thing that can
01:29:54
generate a, a kind of niche subset, but you're not going to
01:29:57
mass market it anymore. So I mean, it's like, it's just
01:30:01
like vinyls, right? People do they have people have
01:30:03
right. Exactly, you know, record
01:30:05
players and it's right. But even even with CD because
01:30:09
you can't buy ACD anymore. Can't buy.
01:30:10
Yeah, exactly. You either digitally buy it.
01:30:14
People don't even digitally buy music anymore.
01:30:16
They people just oh, don't get me to have a have a have a
01:30:19
streaming service. You don't actually own anything.
01:30:22
No. Seriously taken away from you at
01:30:27
any point? This is the yes, we, we don't,
01:30:30
and it we're poor for it. I don't actually know.
01:30:34
You didn't ask me to talk about it because I'm talking about it,
01:30:37
but I don't actually know how to support my favorite artist now,
01:30:42
right? Like right I have.
01:30:43
To go to an album was a statement.
01:30:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. We bought an album you.
01:30:48
I'm financially supporting you. I'm happy, right, right, right.
01:30:51
I want to own a piece of. Your and look and look, look
01:30:53
even even back in the day I knew that buying an album still while
01:30:58
it's supported a little bit, really the artists made their
01:31:00
money back on tour. But now even a lot of artists
01:31:05
are one, it's hard to catch tours 2.
01:31:09
There's some artists who aren't coming where I am, even though I
01:31:11
live in a major metropolitan area 3.
01:31:15
You know, I do come. It's like $2000.
01:31:19
Exactly. Yeah, that's the other thing,
01:31:20
like getting through a concert is just, it's not like it used
01:31:23
to be. Yeah, yeah, Craig, we're gonna
01:31:25
have to have you back on our second podcast called Showing
01:31:28
Our Age and Showing Our Hairlines, dude.
01:31:33
I man, I'm, I'm trying to accept it gracefully.
01:31:36
That's just like, you know, I, I, I swear I went into the
01:31:39
pandemic with the full actual header here.
01:31:42
I don't know. And now it's time for the
01:31:44
segment. How many greys do you see?
01:31:49
This is great. The A guys A.
01:31:51
Lot of fun. We got to get back on that
01:31:53
often, Greg, this is. Good.
01:31:54
Yeah, well, you know, you know where to find me.
01:31:56
Literally. Yeah, oh man.